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What happens when you can’t stop working? In this episode, the Better Life Lab podcast goes to a Workaholics Anonymous meeting to find out.

“I have always been high-achieving, getting a lot of recognition, but always being in pain that I just felt that I wasn’t good enough,” says Christine, a regular meeting attendee. “It didn’t matter what kind of performance reviews I got. It didn’t matter how people said what I was doing great. It was never enough.”

We also hear from Malissa Clark, a professor of psychology at the University of Georgia and an expert in workaholism. She discusses the science and research behind workaholism, and how we can change.